diff --git a/cpp/src/fir.cc b/cpp/src/fir.cc
index 861e5f5..a03da68 100644
--- a/cpp/src/fir.cc
+++ b/cpp/src/fir.cc
@@ -20,6 +20,7 @@
 #include <stdlib.h>
 #include <malloc.h>
 
+#include "aligned_buf.h"
 #include "fir.h"
 
 // Should probably ifdef this to make it more portable
@@ -48,6 +49,89 @@ void SimpleFirFilter::process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n) {
   }
 }
 
+HalfRateFirFilter::HalfRateFirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk, size_t n) : nk(nk) {
+  float k0[kMaxNk / 2];
+  float k1[kMaxNk / 2];
+  size_t n2 = n >> 1;
+  size_t nk2 = nk >> 1;
+  // probably better to do fewer allocations and just set up pointers...
+  y0 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, n2 * sizeof(y0[0]));
+  y1 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, n2 * sizeof(y1[0]));
+  y2 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, n2 * sizeof(y2[0]));
+  i0 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, (n2 + nk2) * sizeof(i0[0]));
+  i1 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, (n2 + nk2) * sizeof(i1[0]));
+  i2 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, (n2 + nk2) * sizeof(i2[0]));
+  k2 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, nk2 * sizeof(k2[0]));
+  for (size_t i = 0; i < nk2; i++) {
+    float b0 = kernel[i * 2];
+    float b2 = kernel[i * 2 + 1];
+    k0[i] = b0;
+    k1[i] = b0 + b2;
+    k2[i] = b2;
+  }
+  f0 = new SimpleFirFilter(k0, nk2);
+  f1 = new SimpleFirFilter(k1, nk2);
+  f2 = new SimpleFirFilter(k2, nk2);
+}
+
+HalfRateFirFilter::~HalfRateFirFilter() {
+  free(k2);
+  delete i0;
+  delete i1;
+  delete i2;
+  delete y0;
+  delete y1;
+  delete y2;
+  delete f0;
+  delete f1;
+  delete f2;
+}
+
+extern "C"
+void neon_halfrate_split(const float *in, float *buf0, float *buf1, float *buf2, size_t n);
+
+extern "C"
+void neon_halfrate_combine(const float *out, float *buf0, float *buf1, float *buf2, size_t n);
+
+void HalfRateFirFilter::process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n) {
+  size_t n2 = n >> 1;
+  size_t nk2 = nk >> 1;
+  size_t n2in = n2 + nk2 - 1;
+#ifdef HAVE_NEON
+  neon_halfrate_split(in - 1, i0, i1, i2, n2in + 1);
+#else
+  i2[0] = in[0];
+  for (size_t i = 0; i < n2in; i++) {
+    float a0 = in[i * 2 + 1];
+    float a2 = in[i * 2 + 2];
+    i0[1 + i] = a0;
+    i1[1 + i] = a0 + a2;
+    i2[1 + i] = a2;
+  }
+#endif
+  f0->process(i0 + 1, y0, n2);
+  f1->process(i1 + 1, y1, n2);
+  f2->process(i2 + 1, y2, n2);
+#ifdef HAVE_NEON
+  neon_halfrate_combine(out, y0, y1, y2, n2);
+#else
+  float z2m2 = 0;
+  for (size_t i = 0; i < nk2; i++) {
+    z2m2 += k2[nk2 - 1 - i] * i2[i];
+  }
+  for (size_t i = 0; i < n2; i++) {
+    float m0 = y0[i];
+    float m1 = y1[i];
+    float m2 = y2[i];
+    out[i * 2] = m0 + z2m2;
+    out[i * 2 + 1] = m1 - m0 - m2;
+    //out[i*2] = i1.get()[i];
+    z2m2 = m2;
+  }
+#endif
+}
+
+#ifdef HAVE_NEON
 NeonFirFilter::NeonFirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk) : nk(nk) {
   // TODO: handle odd size nk (must be multiple of 4)
   k = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, nk * sizeof(k[0]));
@@ -62,11 +146,37 @@ NeonFirFilter::~NeonFirFilter() {
   free(k);
 }
 
-#ifdef HAVE_NEON
 extern "C"
 void neon_fir_direct(const float *in, const float *k, float *out, size_t n, size_t nk);
-#endif
 
 void NeonFirFilter::process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n) {
   neon_fir_direct(in - 1, k, out, n, nk);
 }
+
+Neon16FirFilter::Neon16FirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk, bool mirror)
+  : nk(nk), mirror(mirror) {
+  // TODO: handle odd size nk (must be multiple of 4)
+  k = (int16_t *)malloc_aligned(16, nk * sizeof(k[0]));
+  for (size_t i = 0; i < nk; i++) {
+    k[i] = 32768 * kernel[nk - i - 1];
+  }
+}
+
+Neon16FirFilter::~Neon16FirFilter() {
+  free(k);
+}
+
+extern "C"
+void neon_fir_fixed16(const float *in, const int16_t *k, float *out, size_t n, size_t nk);
+
+extern "C"
+void neon_fir_fixed16m(const float *in, const int16_t *k, float *out, size_t n, size_t nk);
+
+void Neon16FirFilter::process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n) {
+  if (mirror)
+    neon_fir_fixed16m(in - 1, k, out, n, nk);
+  else
+    neon_fir_fixed16(in - 1, k, out, n, nk);
+}
+
+#endif
diff --git a/cpp/src/fir.h b/cpp/src/fir.h
index 2dc3d7e..3ff245e 100644
--- a/cpp/src/fir.h
+++ b/cpp/src/fir.h
@@ -18,15 +18,15 @@
 void *malloc_aligned(size_t alignment, size_t nbytes);
 
 // Abstract class
-class FirFilter {
+template <typename T, typename U> class FirFilter {
  public:
   // preconditions:
   // in + (nk - 1) is aligned to 128 bits
   // out is aligned to 128 bits
-  virtual void process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n) = 0;
+  virtual void process(const T *in, U *out, size_t n) = 0;
 };
 
-class SimpleFirFilter : public FirFilter {
+class SimpleFirFilter : public FirFilter<float, float> {
  public:
   SimpleFirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk);
   ~SimpleFirFilter();
@@ -36,8 +36,25 @@ class SimpleFirFilter : public FirFilter {
   float *k;
 };
 
-// should make conditional compilation?
-class NeonFirFilter : public FirFilter {
+class HalfRateFirFilter : public FirFilter<float, float> {
+ public:
+  HalfRateFirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk, size_t n);
+  ~HalfRateFirFilter();
+  void process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n);
+ private:
+  static const int kMaxNk = 256;
+  size_t nk;
+  float *i0, *i1, *i2;
+  float *y0, *y1, *y2;
+  float *k2;
+  FirFilter *f0;
+  FirFilter *f1;
+  FirFilter *f2;
+};
+
+#ifdef HAVE_NEON
+
+class NeonFirFilter : public FirFilter<float, float> {
  public:
   NeonFirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk);
   ~NeonFirFilter();
@@ -46,3 +63,16 @@ class NeonFirFilter : public FirFilter {
   size_t nk;
   float *k;
 };
+
+class Neon16FirFilter : public FirFilter<float, float> {
+ public:
+  Neon16FirFilter(const float *kernel, size_t nk, bool mirror);
+  ~Neon16FirFilter();
+  void process(const float *in, float *out, size_t n);
+ private:
+  size_t nk;
+  int16_t *k;
+  bool mirror;
+};
+
+#endif  // HAVE_NEON
diff --git a/cpp/src/neon_fir.s b/cpp/src/neon_fir.s
index b7d3131..c0bcb20 100644
--- a/cpp/src/neon_fir.s
+++ b/cpp/src/neon_fir.s
@@ -94,4 +94,274 @@ neon_fir_direct3:
 	pop {r4-r7}
 	bx lr
 
-	.size neon_fir_direct, .-neon_fir_direct
+@ a sketch to see if this is worthwhile; looks like it isn't
+
+
+	.if 0
+	.size neon_fir_short, .-neon_fir_short
+
+	.align 2
+	.global neon_fir_short
+	.type neon_fir_short, %function
+neon_fir_short:
+@ r0 = pointer to input (aligned)
+@ r1 = pointer to kernel (aligned)
+@ r2 = pointer to output (aligned)
+@ r3  = size of input in floats (multiple of 4)
+@ stack[0] = size of kernel in floats (multiple of 4)
+
+	push {r4-r7}
+	vpush {q4-q7}
+	ldr r4, [sp, #(4 * 4 + 4 * 16)]
+
+	sub sp, #(4 * 16) @ room for z2's
+	lsl r6, r4, #2
+	sub r6, #16
+
+	@ compute initial overlap (todo redo)
+	mov r7, r4
+	vmov.i32 q9, #0
+	vmov.i32 q10, #0
+	vmov.i32 q11, #0
+neon_fir_short1:
+	vld1.i32 {q0}, [r0:128]!  @ load 4 samples from input
+	vld1.i32 {q1}, [r1:128]!  @ load 4 samples from kernel
+	vmla.f32 q9, q1, d0[1]
+	vmla.f32 q10, q1, d1[0]
+	vmla.f32 q11, q1, d1[1]
+	subs r7, #4
+	bne neon_fir_short1
+	vmov.i32 q12, #0
+	vext.32 q13, q9, q12, #3
+	vext.32 q1, q10, q12, #2
+	vadd.f32 q13, q1
+	vext.32 q1, q11, q12, #1
+	vadd.f32 q8, q13, q1
+	sub r0, r6
+	sub r1, r4, lsl #2
+
+neon_fir_short2:
+
+	mov r7, r4
+	vmov.i32 q4, #0
+	vmov.i32 q5, #0
+	vmov.i32 q6, #0
+	vmov.i32 q7, #0
+	vmov.i32 q8, #0
+	vmov.i32 q9, #0
+	vmov.i32 q10, #0
+	vmov.i32 q11, #0
+	vmov.i32 q12, #0
+	vmov.i32 q13, #0
+	vmov.i32 q14, #0
+	vmov.i32 q15, #0
+	@ inner loop
+neon_fir_short3:
+	vld1.32 {q0}, [r0:128]!  @ load 4 samples from input (a0)
+	vld1.i32 {q1}, [r1:128]!  @ load 4 samples from kernel (b0)
+	vmla.f32 q4, q1, d0[0]
+	vmla.f32 q5, q1, d0[1]
+	vmla.f32 q6, q1, d1[0]
+	vmla.f32 q7, q1, d1[1]
+	vld1.32 {q2}, [r0:128]!  @ load 4 samples from input (a2)
+	vadd.f32 q0, q2  @ a1
+	vld1.i32 {q3}, [r1:128]!  @ load 4 samples from kernel (b2)
+	vadd.f32 q1, q3  @ b1
+	vmla.f32 q12, q3, d4[0]
+	vmla.f32 q13, q3, d4[1]
+	vmla.f32 q14, q3, d5[0]
+	vmla.f32 q15, q3, d5[1]
+	vmla.f32 q8, q1, d0[0]
+	vmla.f32 q9, q1, d0[1]
+	vmla.f32 q10, q1, d1[0]
+	vmla.f32 q11, q1, d1[1]
+	subs r7, #8
+	bne neon_fir_short3
+
+	@ now for the fun part
+	mov r5, sp
+	vld1.32 {q0, q1}, [r5]!
+	vld1.32 {q2, q3}, [r5]!
+	vadd.f32 q0, q4
+	vadd.f32 q1, q5
+	vadd.f32 q2, q6
+	vadd.f32 q3, q7
+	vsub.f32 q8, q4
+	vsub.f32 q9, q5
+	vsub.f32 q10, q6
+	vsub.f32 q1, q7
+	vsub.f32 q8, q12
+	vsub.f32 q9, q13
+	vsub.f32 q10, q14
+	vsub.f32 q11, q15
+	mov r5, sp
+	vst1.32 {q12, q13}, [r5]!
+	vst1.32 {q14, q15}, [r5]!
+
+	@ process overlaps
+	vext.32 q0, q12, q9, #3
+	vext.32 q13, q9, q12, #3
+	vadd.f32 q8, q0
+	vext.32 q0, q12, q10, #2
+	vext.32 q1, q10, q12, #2
+	vadd.f32 q8, q0
+	vadd.f32 q13, q1
+	vext.32 q0, q12, q11, #1
+	vext.32 q1, q11, q12, #1
+	vadd.f32 q0, q8
+	vadd.f32 q8, q13, q1
+
+	sub r0, r6
+	sub r1, r4, lsl #2
+	vst1.32 {q0}, [r2:128]!
+	vst1.32 {q1}, [r2:128]!
+
+	subs r3, #8
+	bne neon_fir_short2
+
+	add sp, #64
+	vpop {q4-q7}
+	pop {r4-r7}
+	bx lr
+
+	.size neon_fir_short, .-neon_fir_short
+	.endif
+
+	.align 2
+	.global neon_fir_fixed16
+	.type neon_fir_fixed16, %function
+
+@ fixed 16 bit dot product
+@ based on Andy Hung code, but not doing mirror trick
+neon_fir_fixed16:
+
+	push {r4-r7}
+	ldr r4, [sp, #(4 * 4)]
+
+	lsl r6, r4, #1
+	sub r6, #2
+
+neon_fir_fixed16_1:
+	vmov.i16 q0, #0
+	mov r7, r4
+
+neon_fir_fixed16_2:
+	vld1.16 {q2, q3}, [r0]!  @ load 16 samples from input
+	vld1.16 {q8, q9}, [r1:128]!  @ load 16 samples from kernel
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d4, d16
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d5, d17
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d6, d18
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d7, d19
+	subs r7, #16
+	bne neon_fir_fixed16_2
+	vpadd.s32 d0, d0, d1
+	vpadd.s32 d0, d0, d0
+
+	sub r0, r6
+	sub r1, r4, lsl #1
+	vst1.32 {d0[0]}, [r2]!
+
+	subs r3, #1
+	bne neon_fir_fixed16_1
+
+	pop {r4-r7}
+	bx lr
+	.size neon_fir_fixed16, .-neon_fir_fixed16
+
+	.align 2
+	.global neon_fir_fixed16m
+	.type neon_fir_fixed16m, %function
+
+@ fixed 16 bit dot product
+@ based on Andy Hung code, modeling mirror trick
+neon_fir_fixed16m:
+
+	push {r4-r7}
+	ldr r4, [sp, #(4 * 4)]
+
+	lsl r6, r4, #1
+	sub r6, #2
+
+neon_fir_fixed16m_1:
+	vmov.i16 q0, #0
+	mov r7, r4
+	add r5, r0, r6
+
+neon_fir_fixed16m_2:
+	vld1.16 {q2}, [r5]  @ load 8 samples from input
+	vld1.16 {q3}, [r0]!  @ load 8 samples from input
+	vld1.16 {q8}, [r1:128]!  @ load 8 samples from kernel
+	vld1.16 {q9}, [r1:128]!  @ load 8 samples from kernel
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d4, d16
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d5, d17
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d6, d18
+	vmlal.s16 q0, d7, d19
+	subs r7, #16
+	sub r5, #16
+	bne neon_fir_fixed16m_2
+	vpadd.s32 d0, d0, d1
+	vpadd.s32 d0, d0, d0
+
+	sub r0, r6
+	sub r1, r4, lsl #1
+	vst1.32 {d0[0]}, [r2]!
+
+	subs r3, #1
+	bne neon_fir_fixed16m_1
+
+	pop {r4-r7}
+	bx lr
+	.size neon_fir_fixed16m, .-neon_fir_fixed16m
+
+	.align 2
+	.global neon_halfrate_split
+neon_halfrate_split:
+@ r0 = pointer to input
+@ r1 = pointer to buf0
+@ r2 = pointer to buf1
+@ r3 = pointer to buf2
+@ stack[0] = number of output buffers to fill
+	push {r4}
+	ldr r4, [sp, #4]
+neon_halfrate_split1:
+	vld2.32 {q0, q1}, [r0:128]!
+	vadd.f32 q2, q0, q1
+	vst1.32 {q0}, [r1:128]!
+	vst1.32 {q1}, [r3:128]!
+	vst1.32 {q2}, [r2:128]!
+	subs r4, #4
+	bne neon_halfrate_split1
+
+	pop {r4}
+	bx lr
+	.size neon_halfrate_split, .-.neon_halfrate_split
+
+	.align 2
+	.global neon_halfrate_combine
+neon_halfrate_combine:
+@ r0 = pointer to output
+@ r1 = pointer to buf0
+@ r2 = pointer to buf1
+@ r3 = pointer to buf2
+@ stack[0] = number of input buffers to combine
+@ todo: deal with z2m2
+	push {r4}
+	ldr r4, [sp, #4]
+	vmov.i32 q3, #0
+neon_halfrate_combine1:
+	vld1.32 {q2}, [r3:128]!
+	vld1.32 {q0}, [r1:128]!
+	vext.32 q8, q3, q2, #3
+	vld1.32 {q1}, [r2:128]!
+	vsub.f32 q1, q0
+	vadd.f32 q0, q8
+	vsub.f32 q1, q2
+	vst2.32 {q0, q1}, [r0:128]!
+	vmov q3, q2
+
+	subs r4, #4
+	bne neon_halfrate_combine1
+
+	pop {r4}
+	bx lr
+	.size neon_halfrate_combine, .-.neon_halfrate_combine
diff --git a/cpp/src/test_fir.cc b/cpp/src/test_fir.cc
index d26638a..6c055c6 100644
--- a/cpp/src/test_fir.cc
+++ b/cpp/src/test_fir.cc
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ void condition_governor() {
   struct timespec ts;
   ts.tv_sec = 0;
   ts.tv_nsec = 900000000 + (v & 1); // 900ms
-  nanosleep(&ts, NULL);
+  //nanosleep(&ts, NULL);
 
   // consume cpu a bit to try to coax max cpufreq
   uint32_t x = v;
@@ -58,14 +58,14 @@ float *mkrandom(size_t size) {
   return result;
 }
 
-double test_accuracy(FirFilter *f1, FirFilter *f2, const float *inp, int nblock) {
+double test_accuracy(FirFilter<float, float> *f1, FirFilter<float, float> *f2, const float *inp, int nblock) {
   float *out1 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, nblock * sizeof(out1[0]));
   float *out2 = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, nblock * sizeof(out2[0]));
   f1->process(inp + 1, out1, nblock);
   f2->process(inp + 1, out2, nblock);
   double err = 0;
   for (int i = 0; i < nblock; i++) {
-    //printf("%d: %f %f\n", i, out1[i], out2[i]);
+    printf("#%d: %f %f\n", i, out1[i], out2[i]);
     err += fabs(out1[i] - out2[i]);
   }
   free(out1);
@@ -80,28 +80,39 @@ void benchfir(int size, int experiment) {
   float *kernel = mkrandom(size);
   float *inp = mkrandom(size + nblock);
   float *out = (float *)malloc_aligned(16, nblock * sizeof(out[0]));
-  FirFilter *f;
+  FirFilter<float, float> *f;
 
   switch(experiment) {
     case 0:
       f = new SimpleFirFilter(kernel, size);
       break;
+#ifdef HAVE_NEON
+    // this will crash on non-NEON devices, but we're only interested
+    // in testing NEON for now
     case 1:
       f = new NeonFirFilter(kernel, size);
       break;
+    case 2:
+    case 3:
+      f = new Neon16FirFilter(kernel, size, experiment == 3);
+      break;
+#endif
+    case 4:
+      f = new HalfRateFirFilter(kernel, size, nblock);
+      break;
   }
 
 
   double start = now();
   for (int j = 0; j < 15625; j++) {
-    f->process(inp + 1, out, 64);
+    f->process(inp + 1, out, nblock);
   }
   double elapsed = now() - start;
   printf("%i %f\n", size, 1e3 * elapsed);
 
-  FirFilter *fbase = new SimpleFirFilter(kernel, size);
+  FirFilter<float, float> *fbase = new SimpleFirFilter(kernel, size);
   double accuracy = test_accuracy(fbase, f, inp, nblock);
-  //printf("accuracy = %g\n", accuracy);
+  printf("#accuracy = %g\n", accuracy);
 
   delete f;
   delete fbase;
@@ -114,9 +125,9 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv) {
   printf("set style data linespoints\n"
     "set xlabel 'FIR kernel size'\n"
     "set ylabel 'ns per sample'\n"
-    "plot '-' title 'scalar', '-' title '4x4 block'\n");
-  for (int experiment = 0; experiment < 2; experiment++) {
-    for (int i = 16; i <= 128; i += 16) {
+    "plot '-' title 'scalar', '-' title '4x4 block', '-' title 'fixed16', '-' title 'fixed16 mirror', '-' title 'half rate'\n");
+  for (int experiment = 0; experiment < 5; experiment++) {
+    for (int i = 16; i <= 256; i += 16) {
       benchfir(i, experiment);
     }
     printf("e\n");